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by JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
at May 20th, 2008 (01:18 am)
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i know we're a slash community, but i have a question and i came to this question thinking about slash and slashy side of things in Pistols

tell me if i'm daft... everybody seems to be forgetting Nora...
i did a few calculations, browsed wiki, some book and johnlydon.com and came to the conclusion that Nora is at least 17 years older than John? Oo at the VERY least - it means if she had had her daughter at 17 (which i doubt, most likely at 20), because John is 6 years older than Ari, gawd... he could marry Ari xD

so, is this true? OO

i also remember reading in interview with John, and old one (he was in Pistols still, i think) and he said that marriage and love is rubbish, there's only lust and on this phrase there was an interesting footnote telling that John was secretly married to Nora since 1976 (ha-ha-ha, how hilarious) >__< wtf? i mean... 1976??? god, we do neglect Nora too much, don't we?

sorry for the ramblings)


Posted by: It must be your skin I'm sinking in... (nvr_sk_to_tll)
Posted at: May 20th, 2008 10:58 am (UTC)
Beloved Eastland...

All your calculations sound about right...and yeah, Nora does get neglected...but then, sometimes, even in real life, stuff like that just doesn't get paid enough attention...

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 20th, 2008 11:58 am (UTC)

well, John is very secretive about his love life and such (and i actually respect him greatly for that)...
but really... WHY would he marry a 40-year-old woman when he was 20, young and slender and yummy and god he had Sid at that time! xDDD

anyway, i have a Sid/John theory on that one, but you will probably call me sick and insane, so nevermind)))

Posted by: It must be your skin I'm sinking in... (nvr_sk_to_tll)
Posted at: May 20th, 2008 12:16 pm (UTC)

Hey, nothin's too sick or insane for me...seriously, email me with your theory at ecargalel@aol.com
I'd like to hear this one...

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 20th, 2008 09:25 pm (UTC)

emailed you ;)

anyway, here is my theory if there would be something wrong and you won't get my email)
there are 2 possibilities in my head:
1) John was with Nora for her money but he loved Sid and sex with Sid :D
2) John was with Nora not for the money, but because she was older, wiser, she was usual and interesting and mature and he liked her, but he couldn't ignore his bond with Sid, how he always ended in Sid's arms (and bed, haha!) anyway. he couldn't explain his feelings to Sid, he wasn't sure they were right, but they always took over

Posted by: It must be your skin I'm sinking in... (nvr_sk_to_tll)
Posted at: May 22nd, 2008 07:16 am (UTC)
The Breakfast Club

Took me a while to reply, but this is all very interesting theory...I kinda like the second one better...whichever tack one takes, it could make for some EPIC fic...

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 22nd, 2008 05:24 pm (UTC)

i wish i could write one... but i'm not a good writer and anyway i'd write it in my native language first and then i'd have to translate... that would take ages... ((

Posted by: Lily (ragenzhak)
Posted at: May 20th, 2008 07:44 pm (UTC)

There is no Nora. She doesn't excist. You must have been dreaming.

Posted by: Weiss_Kreuz (calamitycat)
Posted at: May 20th, 2008 08:31 pm (UTC)
Sid V - Dreams

All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream...

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 20th, 2008 09:29 pm (UTC)

that's what i was telling myself for a long time( then i accidentally learnt that they were married from '76 and it hit me badly( i thought - god, Lydon, you are such a hypocrite

then i understood that she is 20 years older and somehow it made me feel better :D

Posted by: sidswaywasgay (sidswaywasgay)
Posted at: May 22nd, 2008 03:05 pm (UTC)

Actually Johnny and Sid were friends with Ari and she did seem to have a bit of a thing for John. If you like the slits she wrote a song called warior which sounds like it might have been written about Johnny. In no dogs, no blacks, no irish he (or Norah I can't remember) talks about the time Ari found out about their relationship and she wasn't too pleased.

Norah also says that Sid reacted badly after finding out too; apparently he tried to lock her in a toilet stall so he could have johnny to himself. She said he did it out of jealousy which might suggest his feelings went further then those of a concerned friend.

But as far as them getting together, maybe they might have done when they were younger, Nancy did say that Sid was "pretty near virgin" before she broke him in him so I guess that does leave a bit of leway. Really any attraction between him and Johnny seems a bit one sided so I'm not convinced.

Johnny's not some pathetic two-dimensional character pinning away for Sid like he was portrayed in the film Sid and Nancy, form all accounts it was Sid who followed johnny around like a lost dog.

I think that if a couple can stay together as long as Norah and Johnny they must be right for one another. Johnny would go for people that have stong independant and individual out looks (from that point of veiw age could be a bonus) and that's hardly Sid now is it?

If there was anything between Sid and Johnny it would be brutal, animalistic and bound to end in tears, but I guess that's why I love them.

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 22nd, 2008 05:18 pm (UTC)

the thing is... why i even started this discussion... there are not so many fics about sid and john and apparently they are always very limited in their actions, possibilities and situations' exploration... they may be excellent fics, beautifully written, very captivating, but they can be MORE. there are always just sid and john. imagine, a story written so accurately that even a true fan (or lydon himself :D) won't be able to find a hitch, a mistake... isn't it a challenge? and a really good one. a challenge to yourself, of course - to research, to read and watch interviews, to make it perfect. and in the end it would be a fucking fantastic piece of work! =) and it doesn't even matter if you write a "true story" or make an AU (aw, kill me, i'm so into happy endings >___<)

>>Johnny's not some pathetic two-dimensional character pinning away for Sid like he was portrayed in the film Sid and Nancy, form all accounts it was Sid who followed johnny around like a lost dog.
if you can say he was portrayed there at all :D i agree, of course. well, the more challenging it is to try to portray him the way you think he is. and sid... well... actually i don't have a settled image of him, his character in my head, but knowing every person is not simple and flat - there should be more to him... (god, it's so difficult to get a book about sid, i hate my country - so i'm not very informed here, sorry(()

>>I think that if a couple can stay together as long as Norah and Johnny they must be right for one another. Johnny would go for people that have stong independant and individual out looks (from that point of veiw age could be a bonus) and that's hardly Sid now is it?
well, this can be argued in so many ways) generally i agree, but i can also find lots of opposite theories, so can you, i guess)
i mean, i don't want to gossip about john and nora's relationship (haha, that's exactly what i'm doing))), but there can be possibilities. possibilities, including sid.
a one-sided attraction (about sid/john now) seems to be a most likely one, but it doesn't mean it is the only choice. yes, i guess johnny could go for an individualist, but in the same time sometimes a dominant person needs a highly submissive partner, and not to make the dominant's self-actualization worthy, but to have a follower, someone to keep them going. you see, i have this image of my parents in my head. my mother's a strong individual, and my father is rather submissive. and seeing them i understand there cannot be anybody else who could take my mother except for my father. if he tried to make his life more around himself not my mother - i don't think they would work... i just want to say, that life is so very different...
i somehow pictured this... aah... something like johnny wanting them (sid and nora) both but never able to decide... like he wouldn't ever leave nora... but he also has this THING for sid, something he cannot quite control - so every time he gives in, promises to himself it's the last time, but then he gives in again. on the other hand he always said he never took his wife lightly, so this thing with sid must mean actually something complex, complicated and... deep, i guess? or maybe he can be fond of this permanently shifting balance between him and sid, and nora is something that signifies stability for him.

back to the reality - i think john's still not quite at piece with himself about sid'd death, i remember an interview from the guitar pro hero (or whatever it's called) presentation (not the questionable monologue in the filth and fury)... i don't remember the exact dialogue... but john was asked something about his youth and what the sex pistols used to do, he answered sarcastically something like - oh, sex, alcohol... and someone from the audience suggested "drugs" and lydon did change completely - all pretence and sarcasm gone... he did seem thoughtful and after a moment he answered - no, my best friend died because if drugs, i always said i was against them.
mayse i just see what i want to see, but maybe not) i think you've seen this interview

god, you know sooooo much, i wish i knew so much about them! >____<
thank you so much for your fantastic comment! <3333

Posted by: an equal decline in rape whistles (drummergroupie)
Posted at: May 23rd, 2008 10:00 pm (UTC)

I know that in a lot of slash communities, the wives/girlfriends get neglected. I think with Sid, it's very hard to neglect Nancy if you're going to write slash about while he was actually in the Pistols, but it's easier to forget Nora.

I think you're right. But I can't find any straight answers myself.

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 23rd, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)

you know, there was time, when i was happily ignorant of the fact Lydon was married at all... god, i wish i never found out, seriously) i could pretend he was faithful to Sid xDDD

anyway, i would love to read something with lots of characters, but john/sid-centric. that would be... interesting))

Posted by: sidswaywasgay (sidswaywasgay)
Posted at: May 24th, 2008 02:34 pm (UTC)

btw I was gunna say there's quite a long fic about Johnny featuring Norah and Rambo on adultfanfiction.com, it's quite well written and the writer seems to know their stuff. If that's not your thing there's a various different pairings there too, even Johnny/Malcolm!

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 24th, 2008 03:30 pm (UTC)

oh my! i forgot! how could i!
*bangs head on the wall*
once i found several fantastic Trainspotting stories on adultfanfiction.net (you meant net, didn't you?)). how could i forget about this wonderful archive! than you so much for reminding))

Posted by: sidswaywasgay (sidswaywasgay)
Posted at: May 24th, 2008 04:11 pm (UTC)

yeah sorry .net is right :)

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 24th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)

oh, reading this fic about Rambo and Nora... it's amazzziinggg

*cries* i wish someone would write something like this about john-sid-nora... oh yes, and nancy too... and the johns... and steve and paul, god i love them sooo much) well, malcolm, blah-blah and all the rest, you know)))

but mostly about sid-john-nora (yeah-yeah, and nancy)
i mean... i can't help it xDDD sid/john IS my OTP T___T

awww, and i can't help wanting an AU, without sid's death. you have to kill me, i'm so soppy >______< !

Posted by: It must be your skin I'm sinking in... (nvr_sk_to_tll)
Posted at: May 25th, 2008 01:34 am (UTC)

Hey, ya know, if you're into it, I'm up for a little collaboration...I've written a ton of television related slash fan-fic (mostly femslash, but...) and it could be cool to sort of make my first official foray into the real-life slash world while exploring some of your ideas...

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 25th, 2008 05:36 pm (UTC)
rotten - smoke

oh, femslash! i'd love to read some))

and yay, collaboration!)) i've got some plot bunnies... well, lots of)))) do you have an icq, maybe?)

Posted by: slaggrr (slaggrr)
Posted at: May 26th, 2008 10:27 pm (UTC)

Hi there.

I hope u don't mind my butting in, but where can I find this fic you and sidsway mention? I went searching for it on adultfanfiction.net and couldn't find it. Would u be able to post a link? That would be awesomeness, tnx.

Re your question about John and Nora, here's a slashy thought: maybe Nora was a mother figure for John? Might be terrible of me to simplify like that, but for slash's sake, anything. :D There's something like 15 years between them, and we know John loved his mother...maybe John was partly attracted to Nora because she WAS an older woman. Maybe John likes his women older and is men (ie, Sid) younger...?

Dunno, just a wicked thought....If I were to write a fic, that's the way it would be, fer sure.

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 28th, 2008 04:16 pm (UTC)

sorry it took me so long to reply %(

you mean the one about john-rambo-nora?) *wants very badly to tell something else, but won't spoil all the fun of reading))*
here it is)
lots of chapters)

well, not a simplification imho, it could well be) i think it's more like a complexity of all things mentioned in this thread with something (some of these ideas) having a more vivid line in his life among the other ones depending on your theory about john's life or just your preferences *tries to process what has written herself Oo*

ps aww love you avatar)))

Posted by: seasidegrl (seasidegrl)
Posted at: May 31st, 2008 03:23 am (UTC)
You are sooo not going to believe this but....

I wrote the John, Nora, Rambo story on Adult Fan Fiction. I was looking for other Sex Pistols slash on the net and came across this site. Thanks for the nice words about the story. I wrote a part two if anyone is interested (But I am going away for a couple of weeks tommorow so I may not get to put it up until I get back).
Anyone wanting to do a collaboration? It could be fun!

I paired the three together because I also have trouble figuring ut Nora's complete roll in John's life. He is a true individual so I think he may have just defined/created his private life to be whatever he wanted it to be.

Posted by: JunkyPerv (littleclodia)
Posted at: May 31st, 2008 05:46 pm (UTC)
Re: You are sooo not going to believe this but....
rotten - smoke

well, actually, i though so) there were some of your stories that are in your journal)) sorry, i should have mentioned this to others as well((
and we are soooo interested in part two, don't doubt)
i'm only having some plot bunnies, which i'll be happy to share with everyone) they appeared in my head after reading the Vermorels' book.
but the_nero_dance and nvr_sk_to_tll were up for a collaboration as writers)

i also wanted to ask you, if you don't mind) about this fic - nora, rambo, the rest. what was sid's role, i mean... there was that extract abot him and john, mostly john's dream and i can't help but think that sid was... very detached? well, rambo was jealous, but he was mostly opposing nora and nora was mostly opposing him. so it's like john was keeping sid very... um... maybe... to himself. i can't fibd a word, really. maybe it's just wishful thinking :D and anyway i haven't quite finished, so probably i'll have a different opinion when i finish.
but i really want to know you position about sid there (author's position)) in any case)

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